Facts about Linux and its competitors

Mark S Bilk writes:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:24:57 -0700, Snit wrote:

Mark S Bilk stated in post ...$ on 4/26/12 7:51 AM:

Paid sociopath "DFS" wrote:

Nothing but disjointed, half-ass code given away in a futile attempt to
rook people into thinking they're getting something of quality.

I wrote:

If Linux was half-ass and not of quality, 40,000,000 people
wouldn't be using it.

Desktop Linux is free and easily acquired. You can add it to a pre-existing
system or get it installed on purchase. And yet the number of people who
seek it amounts to a rounding error in the big scheme of things.

About the same number of people who use the very expensive Mac
computer of Apple Corporation, which Snit-For-Brains is constantly
trying to sell here in COLA, with his 30,000 anti-Linux pro-Mac
propaganda posts.

What "pro Mac postings"?

You're insane.

Mark S Bilk stated in post
4f99cb1b$0$5623$c3e8da3$ on 4/26/12 3:24 PM:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:24:57 -0700, Snit wrote:

Mark S Bilk stated in post ...$ on 4/26/12 7:51 AM:

Paid sociopath "DFS" wrote:

Nothing but disjointed, half-ass code given away in a futile attempt to
rook people into thinking they're getting something of quality.

I wrote:

If Linux was half-ass and not of quality, 40,000,000 people
wouldn't be using it.

Desktop Linux is free and easily acquired. You can add it to a pre-existing
system or get it installed on purchase. And yet the number of people who
seek it amounts to a rounding error in the big scheme of things.

About the same number of people who use the very expensive Mac
computer of Apple Corporation, which Snit-For-Brains is constantly
trying to sell here in COLA, with his 30,000 anti-Linux pro-Mac
propaganda posts. But Apple has a huge advertising budget, fueled
with its customers' money. Linux does not, so most people have
never even heard of it.

Nonsense: both in terms of numbers of users and your insults and
accusations. You are showing you are not capable of holding a reasoned
conversation without including name calling, false accusations, and the
like.

But let us look at your claim that Linux desktop has about the same number
of users as OS X. That is simply false. It is absurd. It is not true.
And that is with OS X being had for about 2x the price of a Windows machine
- and Linux being had for free.

If you look at the best stats we have available: <http://goo.gl/JRChK>
OS X is pretty close to 10% where desktop Linux is in the 1-2% range. For
you to say these are about the same is just absurd.

As far as people not having heard of Linux - why would they. Desktop Linux
has earned no positive word of mouth. If and when it earns this it will be
impossible to stop.

Your boogieman could not stop it if they wanted to.

For some it is an excellent solution: largely those who spend a lot of time
in terminals and those who use their desktop largely as a web kiosk.

Michael Snit Glasser is a lying sociopath. He tries to make Linux
seem like old primitive MS-DOS. But in fact Linux and its free
application software is better than Microsoft Windows and as good
or better than Mac for all but very specialized computer tasks.
And it's just as easy and fun to use.

I said nothing of desktop Linux being like MS-DOS. Not a word. You made
that up.

As far as saying the apps on desktop Linux are as good or better than those
on OS X or Windows, that is a complete fabrication on your part. I gone
into extensive reasons why the environment itself, which affects essentially
all programs, is lacking and also talked about many key areas of software
where desktop Linux programs are lacking. This extends far, far outside of
your "specialized computer tasks" claim. Your claim is unsupportable and
simply not true.

If you would like, I would *love* to compare the environments and look at
how they help boost productivity, reduce errors, etc. This would include
the environment itself and some key software classes - and I am happy to
include classes you consider to be key.

This would be a joy to me - a conversation about the technology without name
calling and insults and the like. Are you game? Are you up to it? Are you
willing to even try to back your claims? I bet not... chances are not even
you believe what you say. But I welcome giving you a chance to prove me
wrong on that.

But for most users it is an inferior solution based on both the software
available to it and the features of the environment itself. I am happy to
discuss this in detail... and have done so in the past.

Snit will post dozens of articles about how Mac software will do
things like rotate an image and flow text around it in real time
lifetime!

Not on an environment such as desktop Linux! You are right: there are many,
many things people simply do not do on desktop Linux which they all but take
for granted on OS X. And they do them on OS X. Often.

And which they can do in Linux but it might take a couple
minutes longer.

As you note, they are not likely to ever even *try* these task on Linux...
tasks which are literally trivial on OS X (and not much harder on the
primary tools of Windows). These are *common* tasks. And you admit that in
your experience, with desktop Linux, most people will never do such things.
Now you want to extend that to other environments but you have *no* support
for this claim. None. It is yet another fabrication on your part.

In short: it is trivial to list a whole range of productivity features users
can largely take for granted on the competition (say OS X)... and many types
of software where the "equivalents" on Linux are clearly inferior or even
non-existent.

Only very specialized applications, and generally there are Linux
programs that do the same thing. Check out these web pages:

http://www.techradar.com/news/softw...you-should
-switch-to-linux-912294

The main reasons listed:

* Linux is free. Yes, I have noted that as an advantage. Nobody has said
otherwise.

* Repositories. This has been a long standing advantage of Linux, though OS
X now has a store. And software *not* in the repositories becomes a pain to
install, contrary to the competition.

* LiveCDs. Cool. No doubt. But not really relevant to day-to-day use.

* Powerful commend line. Yes, I noted that.

* Multiple desktops: this is cool. And OS X has them, too... done in a way
that is likely better for most users, though there are some that prefer the
way it is commonly done on Linux.

* Drivers. Um, this has to be listed as a benefit? Of course OSs have
drivers. Unlike on Linux, though, they are generally more feature-complete
on OS X (and even moreso on Windows)

http://www.datamation.com/open-sour...on-windows
-applications-1.html

The main reasons listed:

* LibreOffice: a "weaker" version of MS Office. And it exists on Windows
and OS X, so even if you disagree this is not an advantage of Linux. In
fact, OS X and Windows have LibreOffice and MS Office, and OS X has iWork.
Desktop Linux has the lowest amount of choice here. This is *not* a Linux
advantage.

* GIMP: same idea.

* Other similar software... each with the same weaknesses as discussed
above.

Again, no real advantage to for desktop Linux users.

http://www.datamation.com/open-sour...r-really-e
xpensive-applications-1.html

The main reasons listed:

It can do some of the stuff the alternatives can do. Basically a list of
software that is as-close-as-you-can-get to the alternatives on the
competition. Most is also available on the competition. This is not a
selling point... this is a list of wishful thinking.

Again, if *you* want to discuss your own views then fine... pointing to
other resources which poorly support your claims or even denounce them does
not help your case.

Where Linux based solutions do *not* suffer from these things, such as
embedded devices and servers, they do very well. And they should - they
have earned it. But the OSS community has not earned its "place" on the
desktop in the same way.

Snit-For-Brains is lying, as always.

Linux has been kept out of the hands of desktop/laptop users by
multiple simultaneous attacks by Microsoft Corporation for more
than ten years. This is no imaginary "bogeyman". Please read
the information linked on this page:

http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/MICR...LINUX.html

Name calling and not a shred of evidence. You fear your boogieman.
Companies can and do sell Linux on computers they sell. Your fear mongering
does not change that. It is a fact.

I know: the herd wants to blame the boogieman for this - and there is no
doubt the competition does what it can to maintain and grow its share, as
would be expected by any competitor. But that is how business works. The
competition does not owe the OSS community a chance or an "in" or anything
else.

Snit and other lying anti-Linux propagandists in COLA call Linux
users a "herd" and "cult" to discourage people from contacting
Linux people and trying the software. It's a vicious lie.

Honest businesses don't bribe editorial writers and legislators,
and censor publications by threatening to withdraw advertising, and
spend $100,000,000 on totally fraudulent lawsuits to try to kill
their competition, and pay PR companies tens of millions of dollars
to perpetrate campaigns of lies against their competition.

Microsoft does all of these things.

Name calling and insults. Again. Mark's own actions show his lack of
believe in his own claims.

Oh, and I have *never* called Linux users, as a whole, a "cult" or a "herd".
Never. That is a direct lie from you. As you note, it is a "vicious lie".
Yes, you are lying.

As far as forcing an OS on people, see below: only in the OSS world is there
legislation that forces people to give up choice and *have* to stick with
OSS solutions.

Heck, the OSS community has been successful in using the legal system and
governments to force some to purchase only those products made with a
specific development model, regardless of fitness for the job. This is a
bastardization of the free and open market - it is contrary to freedom. So
while the competition might not be blameless, to pretend the OSS community
is blameless is just silly. The fact show this is not true.

That's the Apple Corporation whining via Snit that governments
should spend your tax money on Apple's very expensive computers
and software, instead of commodity PCs and free Linux software
that does the job just as well.

Utter fabrications do not help your case. Apple has nothing to say about my
comments. You are presenting yourself as paranoid.

And Microsoft wouldn't be invading COLA and flooding it with hundreds of
lying anti-Linux propaganda posts and obscenities every day, through
anonymous astroturfers like "DFS" and "Foster".

Notice you *need* boogiemen to further your agenda. Just fictions you need
to sleep at night,

These are the numbers of anti-Linux propaganda articles posted
in COLA by just a random few of the paid Microsoft and Apple
agents here that I looked up in Google Groups recently:

Snit -- 29,581
Hadron -- 28,000
DFS -- 26,900
Ezekiel -- 8,620
Clogwog -- 3,520
Foster -- 1,740

These are not imaginary "boogiemen". No-one would post 29,000
lying, and often obscene, anti-Linux propaganda articles unless
they were getting paid to do it.

The idea that my posts, and many that you list, are "anti-Linux" is a
complete fabrication.

The fact is, most people who try Linux like it and keep using it.

I would love to see you back *that* claim up. It certainly does not fit
with what I have seen, nor with common sense.

It doesn't fit with the lies that Snit Glasser is constantly posting
to COLA. But Linux forums are full of people asking how to do
complicated things with virtual machines and encrypted networks and
other weird stuff in Linux, because it's their favorite software.

Not a shred of evidence about your claim - just hand-waving redirections.

It is the best you can do... because not even you believe your BS.

That's what Microsoft is afraid of, and why it works so hard in so many ways
to keep people from trying Linux that first time.

What does MS do to stop people from downloading and trying Linux, or from
buying systems with Linux pre-installed? Show *evidence* of this... not
just your fictions and made up stories. I would love to see them.

Here's the page of references again -- about fifty of them. Read
them and learn how a criminal corporation tries to destroy its
competition:

http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/MICR...LINUX.html

Your own page filled with paranoid rants and ancient links does not interest
me.

You cannot defend your views. Once again your claims are nothing but
paranoid delusions.

But, hey, take me up on my challenge to compare the options. I would love
to do so. None of your name calling or paranoid rants... none of your
blaming of any boogieman... just a fair comparison.

Are you up to that? I doubt it. You *will* run. Not even you believe your
own claims. You do not. Your actions show that.

But prove me wrong and take me up on the offer.

Hadron stated in post on 4/26/12
4:16 PM:

Mark S Bilk writes:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:24:57 -0700, Snit wrote:

Mark S Bilk stated in post ...$ on 4/26/12 7:51
AM:

Paid sociopath "DFS" wrote:

Nothing but disjointed, half-ass code given away in a futile attempt to
rook people into thinking they're getting something of quality.

I wrote:

If Linux was half-ass and not of quality, 40,000,000 people
wouldn't be using it.

Desktop Linux is free and easily acquired. You can add it to a pre-existing
system or get it installed on purchase. And yet the number of people who
seek it amounts to a rounding error in the big scheme of things.

About the same number of people who use the very expensive Mac
computer of Apple Corporation, which Snit-For-Brains is constantly
trying to sell here in COLA, with his 30,000 anti-Linux pro-Mac
propaganda posts.

What "pro Mac postings"?

You're insane.

I have noted advantages of OS X. I have also noted advantages of Windows
and of Linux. And to call all of my posts "anti-Linux" is absurd... and to
call then all "pro-Mac" is insane.

Yeah, Mark is waving his white flag. I called him on his BS and he will
run. I have challenged him to compare the environments - his favorite
distro vs. my favorite competitor. This gives him a chance to back his
claims.

But he will run. He always does. It is what Mark does. It is what the
herd does. They run and they lie. They are not able to do better.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:24:27 +0000, Mark S Bilk wrote:

Michael Snit Glasser is a lying sociopath.

Yes, he has been for some time ... anything new to report?

RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.7 or VectorLinux Deluxe 6.0
or Linux Mint 10

RonB wrote:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:24:27 +0000, Mark S Bilk wrote:

Michael Snit Glasser is a lying sociopath.

Then don't reward its behavior.

Yes, he has been for some time ... anything new to report?