Re-installing "Upgraded" windows on new ssd - CONFUSED!

On Fri, 11 May 2012 09:47:14 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

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I'm with you, Ken. In a medium that's supposed to be all about
effective communication, I've never understood why some folks go out
of their way to make communication more difficult.

Some people are confused between communication and communication
technology. A fancy gadget does not make your communication better
just by being used, and it can make it worse.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On Fri, 11 May 2012 09:47:14 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Fri, 11 May 2012 07:18:12 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Thu, 10 May 2012 20:37:29 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

>> I dare anyone to figure out the flow of this conversation. What a
>> mess!
>
>I probably said it before, but I don't even try, or at least I don't try
>very hard :-)

I tried following it as it was happening, but one top posts while the
other bottom posts, and both apparently use the broken version of WLM.
It's just ridiculous. :-)

To me, trying to follow a conversation where even one person uses the
broken version of WLM makes it very difficult to follow. It's bad
enough if it's a single reply, but it gets much worse when it goes
back and forth a couple of times. And if one top posts while the other
bottom posts, and *both* use the broken version of WLM, it so quickly
becomes unintelligible that I don't even try.

Some people may save the older messages in a thread, and follow the
conversation by looking at all of them, but I don't. That's far too
time-consuming for me; once I read a message, it's gone, and the only
way I can follow a thread is if each message has quoted what's needed
to follow it.

And I feel exactly the same about e-mail with Windows Live Mail. It's
almost impossible to follow.

I'm with you, Ken. In a medium that's supposed to be all about
effective communication, I've never understood why some folks go out
of their way to make communication more difficult.

Perhaps they are descended from a long line of politicians, or are
themselves politicians.

Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

As far as I can see..the op found what he needed in my response and
subsequent response and managed to wade his way through all the other
incidental garbage that others introduced either by way of not understanding
the original op problem or digressing off-topic.

Does it really matter if you any other contributor in this thread needed to
follow along.the op managed to do so and received an accurate response
and plan of action in less than 48hrs and also had the courtesy to follow-up
acknowledging success a contributory concern to the original problem.

If the same problem arises again (upgrading an o/s and needing MSFT help
since they were unknowingly using the wrong Product Key or Product ID) I'm
confident someone will ask the question before wading through any correctly
or incorrectly threaded previous conversations nor will they worry about
what newsreader they or anyone is using.

I do agree that WLM as a newsreader has its shortcomings for nntp...yet in
the same light...the op used it to post and respond as well as I and
regardless of that use the op achieved his original objective..what everyone
else thinks under the 'I-me-me-mine' umbrella is secondary fodder.


...winston
msft mvp mail


"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 May 2012 20:37:29 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

>> I dare anyone to figure out the flow of this conversation. What a
>> mess!
>
>I probably said it before, but I don't even try, or at least I don't try
>very hard :-)

I tried following it as it was happening, but one top posts while the
other bottom posts, and both apparently use the broken version of WLM.
It's just ridiculous. :-)

To me, trying to follow a conversation where even one person uses the
broken version of WLM makes it very difficult to follow. It's bad
enough if it's a single reply, but it gets much worse when it goes
back and forth a couple of times. And if one top posts while the other
bottom posts, and *both* use the broken version of WLM, it so quickly
becomes unintelligible that I don't even try.

Some people may save the older messages in a thread, and follow the
conversation by looking at all of them, but I don't. That's far too
time-consuming for me; once I read a message, it's gone, and the only
way I can follow a thread is if each message has quoted what's needed
to follow it.

And I feel exactly the same about e-mail with Windows Live Mail. It's
almost impossible to follow.

On Fri, 11 May 2012 18:59:07 -0400, "...winston"
wrote:

As far as I can see..the op found what he needed in my response and
subsequent response and managed to wade his way through all the other
incidental garbage that others introduced either by way of not understanding
the original op problem or digressing off-topic.

Good, and glad to hear it. But two points:

1. I wasn't commenting about this thread. I was commenting about *all*
threads in which "one top posts while the other bottom posts, and both
apparently use the broken version of WLM." They are *extremely* hard
to follow.

2. I agree that the OP getting the answer he's looking for is what's
most important. But it's not the only factor. It's also important to
the rest of us here--those of us who read all the messages
posted--that we are able to read and understand all messages posted.
We read all the messages for several reasons--to correct mistakes when
we see them, and to learn something about areas where we don't know a
lot. And when there is a thread in which "one top posts while the
other bottom posts, and both apparently use the broken version of
WLM," that quickly becomes nearly impossible.

Does it really matter if you any other contributor in this thread needed to
follow along.

Yes, I think it does. See the above.

the op managed to do so and received an accurate response
and plan of action in less than 48hrs and also had the courtesy to follow-up
acknowledging success a contributory concern to the original problem.

Once again, glad to hear it.

If the same problem arises again (upgrading an o/s and needing MSFT help
since they were unknowingly using the wrong Product Key or Product ID) I'm
confident someone will ask the question before wading through any correctly
or incorrectly threaded previous conversations nor will they worry about
what newsreader they or anyone is using.

I do agree that WLM as a newsreader has its shortcomings for nntp..

We clearly have very different views on this. I wouldn't say it "has
its shortcomings." I would say it's downright *terrible*. The worst of
all the choices of newsreaders/e-mail clients I know of.

yet in
the same light...the op used it to post and respond as well as I and
regardless of that use the op achieved his original objective..what everyone
else thinks under the 'I-me-me-mine' umbrella is secondary fodder.

As I said above, I agree that it's secondary. But where we disagree is
that I think that, even though it's secondary, it's still important.

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 May 2012 20:37:29 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:


> >> I dare anyone to figure out the flow of this conversation. What a
> >> mess!
> >
> >I probably said it before, but I don't even try, or at least I don't try
> >very hard :-)
>
> I tried following it as it was happening, but one top posts while the
> other bottom posts, and both apparently use the broken version of WLM.
> It's just ridiculous. :-)



To me, trying to follow a conversation where even one person uses the
broken version of WLM makes it very difficult to follow. It's bad
enough if it's a single reply, but it gets much worse when it goes
back and forth a couple of times. And if one top posts while the other
bottom posts, and *both* use the broken version of WLM, it so quickly
becomes unintelligible that I don't even try.

Some people may save the older messages in a thread, and follow the
conversation by looking at all of them, but I don't. That's far too
time-consuming for me; once I read a message, it's gone, and the only
way I can follow a thread is if each message has quoted what's needed
to follow it.

And I feel exactly the same about e-mail with Windows Live Mail. It's
almost impossible to follow.