sparc qualification for Wheezy

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 01:19:48PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:

Comments on / additions and corrections to the content of
http://release.debian.org/wheezy/arch_qualify.html would be appreciated,
as would any other information you think is relevant to helping us
determine sparc's status for the release.

I see the number of registered sparc porters has dropped since the last time
around and we're now in the red, but I don't think that's because of an
actual change, rather we must have done different accounting.

upstream and downstream, the situation seems unchanged - stuff is generally
working fine, I don't see a particular reason to avoid releasing sparc
wheezy compared to sparc squeeze.

We should probably note that upstream sparc32 is actually fairly revived
with LEON these days, so that one bit of real regression we had a few years
earlier might actually get fixed :)

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On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Josip Rodin wrote:

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 01:19:48PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:

Comments on / additions and corrections to the content of
http://release.debian.org/wheezy/arch_qualify.html would be appreciated,
as would any other information you think is relevant to helping us
determine sparc's status for the release.

I see the number of registered sparc porters has dropped since the last time
around and we're now in the red, but I don't think that's because of an
actual change, rather we must have done different accounting.

upstream and downstream, the situation seems unchanged - stuff is generally
working fine, I don't see a particular reason to avoid releasing sparc
wheezy compared to sparc squeeze.

And if debian-sparc would include the virtio drivers, it might even
get more porters,
as they would be able to develop stuff and do some initial testing
without having
an access to sun4u hardware. [1] ;-)

1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-spar...00014.html

We should probably note that upstream sparc32 is actually fairly revived
with LEON these days, so that one bit of real regression we had a few years
earlier might actually get fixed :)

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Regards,
Artyom Tarasenko

Solaris/sparc and Linux/sparc under qemu blog:
http://tyom.blogspot.com/search/label/qemu


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On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 01:50:04PM +0200, Artyom Tarasenko wrote:

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 01:19:48PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
>> Comments on / additions and corrections to the content of
>> http://release.debian.org/wheezy/arch_qualify.html would be appreciated,
>> as would any other information you think is relevant to helping us
>> determine sparc's status for the release.
>
> I see the number of registered sparc porters has dropped since the last time
> around and we're now in the red, but I don't think that's because of an
> actual change, rather we must have done different accounting.
>
> upstream and downstream, the situation seems unchanged - stuff is generally
> working fine, I don't see a particular reason to avoid releasing sparc
> wheezy compared to sparc squeeze.

And if debian-sparc would include the virtio drivers, it might even
get more porters,
as they would be able to develop stuff and do some initial testing
without having
an access to sun4u hardware. [1] ;-)

1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-spar...00014.html

File a wishlist bug against linux-2.6 package asking to enable
virtio-modules udeb for sparc. We have them for other architectures,
if there any particular reason why they are not available for sparc,
kernel team will explain it to us.

Best regards,
Jurij Smakov
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On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Jurij Smakov wrote:

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 01:50:04PM +0200, Artyom Tarasenko wrote:

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 01:19:48PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
>> Comments on / additions and corrections to the content of
>> http://release.debian.org/wheezy/arch_qualify.html would be appreciated,
>> as would any other information you think is relevant to helping us
>> determine sparc's status for the release.
>
> I see the number of registered sparc porters has dropped since the last time
> around and we're now in the red, but I don't think that's because of an
> actual change, rather we must have done different accounting.
>
> upstream and downstream, the situation seems unchanged - stuff is generally
> working fine, I don't see a particular reason to avoid releasing sparc
> wheezy compared to sparc squeeze.

And if debian-sparc would include the virtio drivers, it might even
get more porters,
as they would be able to develop stuff and do some initial testing
without having
an access to sun4u hardware. [1]  ;-)

1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-spar...00014.html

File a wishlist bug against linux-2.6 package asking to enable
virtio-modules udeb for sparc. We have them for other architectures,
if there any particular reason why they are not available for sparc,
kernel team will explain it to us.

Done. Bug#673320

Regards,
Artyom Tarasenko

Solaris/sparc and Linux/sparc under qemu blog:
http://tyom.blogspot.com/search/label/qemu


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Adam,

I didn't see where GCC was dropping 32-bit sparc upstream in the
changelogs. This seems inaccurate since a 64-bit userland has negative
performance implications, and this is true for both Solaris and Linux and
not recommended by anyone. A 64-bit userland is barely available for Linux
is correct?

http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.7/changes.html

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Adam D. Barratt
wrote:

Hi,

With the sound of the ever approaching freeze ringing loudly in our ears,
we're (somewhat belatedly) looking at finalising the list of release
architectures for the Wheezy release.

Comments on / additions and corrections to the content of
http://release.debian.org/wheezy/arch_qualify.html would be appreciated,
as would any other information you think is relevant to helping us
determine sparc's status for the release.

Regards,

Adam
pp the Release Team


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Adam,<div><br></div><div>I didn&#39;t see where GCC was dropping 32-bit sparc upstream in the changelogs. This seems inaccurate since a 64-bit userland has negative performance implications, and this is true for both Solaris and Linux and not recommended by anyone. A 64-bit userland is barely available for Linux -- just a few C libraries like pthreads, libc, and zlib. Are you sure this is correct?<br>
<br><a href="http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.7/changes....t;>http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.7/changes.html</a> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Adam D. Barratt <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:" target="_blank"></a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
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With the sound of the ever approaching freeze ringing loudly in our ears,<br>
we&#39;re (somewhat belatedly) looking at finalising the list of release<br>
architectures for the Wheezy release.<br>
<br>
Comments on / additions and corrections to the content of<br>
<a href="http://release.debian.org/wheezy/ar...html" target="_blank">http://release.debian.org/wheezy/ar...</a> would be appreciated,<br>
as would any other information you think is relevant to helping us<br>
determine sparc&#39;s status for the release.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Adam<br>
pp the Release Team<br>
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